Der Kampf: The Rise and Fall of the Austrian Führer
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This tl is looking great so far. One thing I'm curious about should be how Sozinat ideology is viewed in the ATL present. The Nazis are (rightfully) seen as some of the worst humanity has to offer, and are a big cautionary tale for extremist ultranationalist ideologies.
But ittl WW2 and , by extension, the holocaust seems to be smaller in scale, which is great. But with a slightly smaller pile of corpses to point at, there could be more active attempts at rehabilitation.
Especially with the cold war coming up, and less American involvement in Europe (thus pop-culture/public awareness) , there could be some that try to portray Hitler's bunch as "Actually heroes that only wanted to protect Europe from the evils of communism" . Which wouldn't be very great...
But ittl WW2 and , by extension, the holocaust seems to be smaller in scale, which is great. But with a slightly smaller pile of corpses to point at, there could be more active attempts at rehabilitation.
Especially with the cold war coming up, and less American involvement in Europe (thus pop-culture/public awareness) , there could be some that try to portray Hitler's bunch as "Actually heroes that only wanted to protect Europe from the evils of communism" . Which wouldn't be very great...
The Middle East will be a bit more active than OTL. To help make up for the war being quieter elsewhere.
Interesting ideas. it’ll be more of a slug match, with both trying to get the Big Battle.
The Anglo-Japanese War will act as a prelude to WW2. Kind of like how the Second Sino-Japanese War happened before before WW2 but later tied into it.
I like the idea of the aircraft carriers. The U.S. will be taking careful notes on the Anglo-Japanese War though their later involvement will be the biggest lesson.
Ah, I’ll edit those out sometime today. Thank you!
Yeah WW2 is a bit smaller here that OTL, at least in Europe though its looking like it’ll be even bigger in Asia. The Sozinats will obviously be the big bad far-right wolf but due to not being as threatening or domineering in the European Theatre as the Nazis they will have people more sympathetic with their views in the short term but due to the Sozinats not having the degree of military success the Nazis experienced in 1939-1942 there won’t be as many idolizing them for their military prowess. Not as many, I think the term is, Wehraboos or something like that.
Communism takes over less of Europe than OTL when the Cold War starts so the West does a better job of de-Sozinating than the Soviets did in East Germany OTL.
Understandable, I doubt Austria is gonna be a key factor in the west's post war strategy of Coantining Communism /soviet union as a Germany was in OTL.
Alot of Whermacht military personel were left of the hook so they could help staff the new Bundeswehr. I don't see many nations wanting to beef up Austria to be a corner stone of NATO (or whatever post war western military alliance is called in this TL)
And since Austria won't be important to the post war World as much as Germany was in OTL then the Sozinats are gonna face a much harder book thrown at them. I see much of upper levels and senior party and paramilitaries facing trials or harsher sentences with very few getting away or even getting public office (compared to West Germanys who's minister of justice in the 50s was a former nazi party offical who helped draft the Nuremberg laws).
Anyways great work mate, each chapter makes me more intrested in the future of this timeline. Glad I found this page 👍
Just finished reading this a few days ago and honestly it's a pretty good story so far! I don't usually enjoy the more character focused TLs but you made it work, it's good seeing all the differing perspectives.
Some questions, will Germany go fascist here or will the Weimar Republic remain a thing albeit a somewhat unstable type? I could see them continuing their projects with the USSR of OTL and given one of the "look in the future" part of one of the chapters implies that Poland will be joining with Austria in their war against the Soviets, I could definitely see a secret treaty between the Neutral Germany and the fighting USSR where the former is allowed to annex the Polish corridor alongside some more of Silesia while the USSR gets the Eastern territories it got OTL, of course you don't have to answer me and I'm just curious to see how it all ends up.
Same thing goes for the USSR here, it seems like they annex Finland and seemingly are able to counter the Austrian led invasion but also don't end up spreading Communism into Europe as much as OTL, so I'm really interested in seeing where they end up, although again, you don't need to confirm or deny anything.
Some questions, will Germany go fascist here or will the Weimar Republic remain a thing albeit a somewhat unstable type? I could see them continuing their projects with the USSR of OTL and given one of the "look in the future" part of one of the chapters implies that Poland will be joining with Austria in their war against the Soviets, I could definitely see a secret treaty between the Neutral Germany and the fighting USSR where the former is allowed to annex the Polish corridor alongside some more of Silesia while the USSR gets the Eastern territories it got OTL, of course you don't have to answer me and I'm just curious to see how it all ends up.
Same thing goes for the USSR here, it seems like they annex Finland and seemingly are able to counter the Austrian led invasion but also don't end up spreading Communism into Europe as much as OTL, so I'm really interested in seeing where they end up, although again, you don't need to confirm or deny anything.
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I think it was planned for the Weimar republic to have a little civil war between I'm guessing the communist and the nationalists with the right wing and establishing the German empire. They become a closer ally to Austria but if they do join the war idk but Tanner clarify them points more.