I often think it's quite the irony that between the racism, the creation of what is essentially a divine royal family and the huge military budget, North Korea has become essentially a poor man's Imperial Japan.
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Especially as Kim il-Sung started out a guerrilla fighter against the Japanese.
Well, well, with Kim Jong-Il being actually worse than OTL, and then some (given his capture by the South Koreans), definitely there would be someone who would going as far as attributing everything wrong in North Korea to him alone in attempt to distance communism from juche, with varying levels of success. Hence my comments several pages back.
ITTL me would definitely encounter this kind of opinion in 2015-16, and maybe i would reply that "Kim Il-Sung is a fallen hero, and definitely is when he failed to control his son like Soeharto did with his children"
ITTL me would definitely encounter this kind of opinion in 2015-16, and maybe i would reply that "Kim Il-Sung is a fallen hero, and definitely is when he failed to control his son like Soeharto did with his children"
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On that note, I could see timelines where the DPRK was organized on more "conventional" Communist lines to be common on TTL's AH.Com.
Kissinger and his connections would be especially useful with the utter crisis that is about to unfold after the kidnapping of Kim Jong-il indeed.
Hang on, so just to be clear, what happened was that the ROK agents drugged Kim Jong-Il, knocking him out, then began stuffing him into the box. Then, Kim Jong-Un walks in, sees what the soldiers are doing, says "Do whatever you want" and goes back to bed. The soldiers then knock Kim Jong-Un out and stuff him into the box with his father to ensure no witnesses are left behind. As such, both Kim Jong-Il and Kim Jong-Un are flown to the ROK.
Have I understood what happened correctly? If so, what is going to happen to Kim Jong-Un? ITTL, he was never anywhere near the levers of power, but could he still be prosecuted for complicity in his father's crimes?
If I have misunderstood, what actually happened here, and is Kim Jong-Un still back in China? If so, what happens to him next?
Depending on the date of birth Kim Jong-un had, he’d be 19-21 during the fall of North Korea, so there’s that.
Probably would still have been studying I think?
If so my guess is that he can hardly be found complicit since he was just a student in Switzerland under the thumb of his father and the state of North Korea, he quite literally couldnt have done anything
Not that I think the SK justice will give a fuck though
Huh, alright
Im trying to keep up with the story but reading chapters while feverish is hard and I suppose the comments are just as reliable >.>
Yeah no. Given the mans reputation IOTL as a Grade A douchebag for multiple different reasons and that he would be pretty far removed from the politics of the Wellstone administration, no that isn't happening. Kissinger would have a very different mindset than Wellstone given his opinions IOTL, and that would be something recognized by the White House. Why not go through normal diplomatic channels instead of a washed out Foreign Secretary from the Nixon administration?
Reminder that it is still 2000's TTL, not 2020, and that many of the things we today consider "the public consensus", like hating Kissinger, were marginal opinions if not totally unknown. Hell, no one had yet questioned Wilson's narrative as the father of the United Nations and a convinced democrat.
No, it's an apocryphal story that KJU saw his father getting boxed up, effectively shrugged, left and then the agents left with only Kim and the defector.